Why Sigman and Gorilla Millions Again? The Man, The Scam That Keeps Taking

This post closes our exposure of the man and the scam and reports our efforts to cancel GorillaMillions. If you read our short post regarding the use of Credit Cards online then you will understand herein how this man and his scam keeps on taking your money even after you cancel the account. In my case, I canceled four accounts.

The Man and his Bogus Endorsement

In our first post, we established that Sigman, Company Express and BigMoneyPro were the same person, yes in his response to a complaint; this what he said.

Example 1

01-27-2008, 09:53 AM

companyexpress Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2006

Re: Big Money Pro - Is It A Scam?

I love Steve Sigman and BigMoney Pro and all his programs and stuff. He is the only one EVER who paid me commissions and I mean in WealthTekk I made over $6,000! This guy is as real as it gets. Those who don't like him must be fascists or communists. Look he even give you his phone number and address on his web sites and emails ...

Steve Sigman
2982 Som Center Road
Willoughby Hills, OH 44094 USA
440-516-0285
215-401-2770

I think you are all making a big mistake cause what kind of scammer does this much to try to help others make money?

NOBODY EVER THAT I HAVE MET ON THE INTERNET BESIDES STEVE SIGMAN!!!
What I would do is call Steve or any of his friends, I hear he is a good friend of Tom At Veretekk and Linda at HomeWorkers International, if he is good friends with people who are THAT GOOD, how can he be a SCAMMER?

I wonder how you others feel about using contempt prior to investigation, one of the most heinous crimes NOT EVEN GOOD ENOUGH to get into the BIBLE! Shame on you!

Martha Hopkins

This post is from Sigman (Company Express), and not from Martha Hopkins. Is she real or imagined to make his point?

Example 2

04-08-2007, 01:05 AM

companyexpress Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2006

Re: Big Money Pro

Quote:
Originally Posted by blktaz

All I can say is I have been CHEATED. I received the offer email and upgraded (11/13/06) and never received a email KIT as website promised. I sent the required email daily for RESEND KIT. It has yet to arrive. I have sent for email to Company Express (parent company) and hear nothing in return. I have call Steve Sigman/President office 3 times and left message and even call his cell phone number list on company website and still not response. I only wanted what I paid $89 bucks for. I feel CHEATED.

Dear Friend,

Its quite unfair how totally legitimate programs get lumped in with all the rubbish out there. I have been investing in online businesses for over 5 years and honestly feel that BigMoneyPro and Steve Sigman are the most honest, trustworthy people I've ever met online. If you are considering BigMoneyPro, do not hesitate. Its a great program and has a rapid sign-up rate.

Siggy Rocks!

Yes another example of the man, company express and bigmoneypro representing himself. He must have got ticked off about the above post because he made a second post and quoted the same post with his attitude post.

The Man and his Attitude.

In our earlier post, Sigman under his Company Express name and profile with Scam.Com responds to another member Blttaz “That's why they have something called a "Help Desk". Help Desk, get it? Log in try that once in a while instead of crying like a baby.”

Someone should have told him that in business and life “Attitude is Everything?

Case in Point – Gorilla Millions (the $.25 sucker bait)

In business, if you really are in business and concerned for your business, your reputation, your credibility as such, it is normal to have a complaint occasionally. It is how you handle that complaint that can make that customer, client or affiliate a lifelong participant of yours. I call it damage control.

In one of lives online, I joined Gorilla Millions for a $.25 and brought my wife, mother in law and sister in law along. Of course, I paid their way in and the $19.95 monthly fees.

The program did not require and downline to make money, so bringing a small downline should have entitled me to the fast start bonuses offered. Wrong!

Again, according to Sigman (the BigMoneyPro) His response to another victim That's why they have something called a "Help Desk". Help Desk, get it? Log in try that once in a while instead of crying like a baby.

Well, of course I used the support systems in place and made several inquiries (times 4). The months passed, as they do, and we qualified for the Loyalty Bonuses (that the one for being suckers for 1 year or more)

Again, no one responded to our inquires times 4 members. So using Sigman’s recommendation did not work as suggested.

In fact we only heard from admin initially when we received several autoresponder messages to motivate us to upgrade from a $.25 free look to a full member at $19.95 per month again times four (4).

Upgraded August 2008. Loyalty bonuses earned after 1 year. No payment of any kind, included requests for the loyalty bonuses were ever paid or received. Canceled September 2009 and immediately got a reply from admin, which reads as follows

Cancellation Form Receipt GorillaMillions

admin@gorillamillions.comLoading... 9/13/09

from admin@gorillamillions.com

reply-to admin@gorillamillions.com

to drdony@gmail.com

date Sun, Sep 13, 2009 at 8:14 AM

subject Cancellation Form Receipt GorillaMillions

Thank you Dr Don Yates Sr PhD for your recent patronage with GorillaMillions and we are sorry to learn that your membership with us was not a benefit to you.

Important Info About Member Cancellations

This Receipt confirms that you have CANCELED your GorillaMillions membership out from our System. This will cancel your membership in our program ONLY. You must log into your payment processor to cancel your subscription to CompanyExpress/Bigorilla.

Also your deactivation from GorillaMillions means, you lose your access to your downline and any bonuses.

If you ARE a PAYING member, If you do not do as suggested above, it's not our obligation to refund any payments you make in error to us. So please be responsible for your own actions and take care of it accordingly.

As you agreed in our terms, there are no chargebacks allowed and chargebacks will be pursued and claims filed to the full extent that the law provides.

It's better that you cancel your own subscription!

If you need HELP, please log into HELP and ask us to assist you! We are happy to help you cancel your sub and payment if you need help!

The Site ID you canceled was 56317,Phone Number 60123720454 and the e-mail associated with that membership was: drdony@gmail.com

You stated the following as your reason for canceling with us: you haven’t responded to support questions, nor have you paid me

Have you Discovered ALL the Features of GorillaMillions?

- You Miss Out On Massive Growth In GorillaMillions's True Perpetual Powerline.
- Your Bonuses Are Nullified & Your Team Rolls Up To Next Active Member.
- Your Guaranteed Income From Up To Five Profit Pools Is Sadly Forfeited.
- Ownership of a GorillaMillions Web Property Is Completely Deactivated.
- 100% Automated System Does The Selling - All You Do Is Show And Tell!
- Unique Opportunity In Any Profit Market - You Forfeit And We Part Ways.

Have you Asked for help from GorillaMillions?
Go to http://www.gorillamillions.com/support/ and allow us to assist you.

Thank you again for your participation in GorillaMillions

Warmest Regards,

GorillaMillions Customer Support Team

How Sweet,

How can my team and I miss something that we never received while we were paying members?

Estimated loss as of September = call it $1,000 rounded up

As you can see, they are aware that I have submitted support tickets and have not received any payments – yet they did nothing. My only communication since joining over a year ago was an automatic email upon my cancellation advising me of all the benefits that I have forfeited.

In an earlier post: Use of Credit Cards Online. If you use a credit card directly, rather than through paypal, alert or one of the others, check to see if credit card handles a dispute or if they leave it up to you and the vendor?

So “Why Sigman and Gorilla Millions Again? The Man, The Scam That Keeps On Taking”

Because once your cancel your submission to the program, it does not stop your payments?

Remember the cancellation email said:

You must log into your payment processor to cancel your subscription to CompanyExpress/Bigorilla.If you ARE a PAYING member, If you do not do as suggested above, it's not our obligation to refund any payments you make in error to us.

If you need HELP, please log into HELP and ask us to assist you! We are happy to help you cancel your sub and payment if you need help!

The credit card I used was an international card, but it originated in Malaysia. Therefore, it seems that policies vary for the same credit card company for country to country. That is, some with act in your behalf in the case of a dispute and in other cases, they leave the matter of resolution between you and the vendor.

Advice: Check with your credit card issuer and see what their policy is. Apparently, Sigman, Company Express and GorrilaMillions are aware of the differences and keep taking your money if you use the wrong card.

Why because, when you ask them for help as offered in their cancellation email, they do nothing. Again, no reply and they just keep depositing the money.

This is February 2010, and they have continued to bank in my payments for all 4 team embers since September. Neither Sigman, or any of his staff have responded to any inquires, nor have they assisted in canceling the payments.

Only Solution: cancel the credit card

I have said it before; the scammers will hook you, take all of your money and offer no assistance in mitigating your losses. I guess that why Sigman is BigMoney Pro and I at age 71, (who was it that said) “there is no fool like an old fool?

Summary of this 2-part submission:

What good are guarantees if you cannot get an answer to your support or help inquires?

Test the support system or help desk early, because if you take too long to identify a problem, gateways like PayPal cannot help you recover or mitigate your losses

Cut your losses and get out of the program if one or two inquires go un-answered

Do your own due diligence on the man and his companies, before you join. The red flags will not be raised on new programs which according to one guru; he can put up 15 programs a day.

So to protect yourself, if you tend to read and believe the hype and guaranties; then the only solution that I am aware of is the check the company through “whois.com” and check the man. If the man is Sigman, or if the record is protected and marked “private” – then Save Your Money.

Do not believe everything you read, because the testimonies for a program may very well come from the man himself, as demonstrated by Sigman

Check your credit card policy to see if the credit card company acts in your behalf, if not use a card that does. Do not expect the scammers to help you stop the payments. You may also note that many companies do not use PayPal. PayPay will help you with a timely dispute, such as non-delivery, influence the vendor to give you a refund and perhaps cut-of the vendor if there are enough complaints.

Dr Don Yates Sr PhD

Founder Internet Scams Anonymous

Our Group Definition of a Scam/Fraud

A Scheme That Plays On Your Emotions to Participate As It Offers To Satisfy One of Your Needs

Lack of Delivery

Lack of a Responsive Support System

Lack of Communications and Accessibility

Scammers are Spammers

Training, Tools and Resources for Our Success

Finally, if it is just doesn’t make sense, is illogical and makes your stomach knot, and then avoid it

Earlier, I let you be the judge of this posts as to whether these were a scam. One of the forums told me that it is hard to identify a scammer, because there are two sides to every story. Probably true, but if the suspect scammer does not respond to legitimate inquires, or tells you to “stop crying like a baby”, then what to think. I believe we have established the man and his programs are a scam that will even keep on ticking if you use the wrong credit card.

Good day, Take care